The spirit of the heresy hunter

I’ve been having a conversation these last few weeks on another blog regarding Todd Bentley’s current situation.

Most people know Todd as the leader of the controversial Lakeland Revival, who subsequently divorced his wife, married another woman, and has repented. He recently entered into a restoration program through Morningstar church.

The response of the heresy hunters, right from the beginning of the revival, has been over the top.

First, let me distinguish between two types of people.

  • THOSE WHO DISAGREE – There’s plenty of folks out there who disagreed with one aspect or another of the revival and the subsequent events. Those who disagreed stated their concerns in a loving manner, often cited Scripture, and left it at that. Some sent letters or emails to Todd Bentley, to Pastor Strader, and to others who were involved. (It might shock the heresy hunters to know that I was one who did that – and got a very gracious response back, with my concern addressed!) Disagreers understand that there is a time, a place, and a way to confront others when they are wrong. They also understand that it’s not always their place to do so. It is not our responsibility, real or imagined, to confront every sin in every one.  Those who disagree understand that God’s grace is bigger than we can even begin to imagine.
  • HERESY HUNTERS – HH’s don’t just disagree. They shout from the rooftops about those they hate. “Investigating” other Christians is their sole passion in life. They spend days, weeks, months combing the internet for the juiciest tidbits of gossip. They investigate everyone for everything. When they find an anthill, they pile rubble on it until it’s Mount Everest. They believe that people are guilty simply through association with others, and that everyone must be warned about these evil people. Heresy Hunters have no concept of biblical authority. Further, they are rude and thorougly malicious. Although the person they are investigating IS sometimes in error, their manner of handling it is ALSO in error. The ends do not in any way justify the means (and the ends don’t benefit anyone).  Grace is misdefined in the Heresy Hunters’ vocabulary; to them it only applies to those already perfect. In rare cases it might apply to anyone willing to “repent” and become just like them (see Matthew 23:15)

There is a tremendous and fundamental difference between the two. As Christians, we can hold differing opinions and disagree – but  Jesus Himself commanded us to love one another (and show it. And MEAN it!) and to maintain unity. When we feel we must correct a specific person, we must follow biblical guidelines. We’d best be about His business building the Church, not tearing people down, chewing them up, and spitting them out.

We should take care ONLY to exclude those from fellowship who are clearly in error, unrepentant/continuing in their sin, and who show a shallow, casual attitude toward sin. We should also take care to note that those who presently must be excluded from the Body should be welcomed back with open arms immediately upon their repentance.

Yes. I do consider some of the heresy hunters to have crossed that line. That is my personal belief and I’ve taken some heat for it. I don’t stand in the place of God. But I do take Romans 16:17, Jude 19, and Titus 3:10 to heart.

Which brings me back around to this blog I was interacting on. Great blog, great guy who loves Jesus. Currently attacked by heresy hunters because he  accepts that Todd Bentley has repented and believes we should give him and the restoration team room to work. Of course, this makes him a heretic supreme. I’d posted a few comments, including the text of 1 Corinthians 13, especially the passage on “does not behave rudely”.

Of course, the responses were rude :)

As I went to reply, there was a very unusual word on the Captcha (you have to type a word to prove you’re a human, not an auto-spam program): “abaddon”. I recognized it immediately as the destroyer from Revelation 9. Given that the Captcha system has always generated simple dictionary words (like bicycle or moose) or nonsense (64TjM), my response was, “Lord, what is this?” His reply: That’s the spirit of the one you’re responding to.

Now, whether He meant that the person is actually demon-possessed, or whether He meant that as destroyers of unity and attackers they have the same mind-set, I’m not sure. I’m not particularly sure that it matters. Regardless of whether they’re demonically influenced or simply operating from their own hearts, they are doing satan’s work.

What does God’s Word say about it?

But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another… Therefore, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering, bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another, even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do. But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts… Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one. (Colossians 3:8,9,12-15, 4:6 NKJV)

It’s often not what you say… it’s the spirit in which you say it. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks (Matthew 12:34) – Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. (James 3:10).

[note: any comments regarding Todd Bentley/Lakeland will be deleted as they are off-topic. ]

16 Comments »

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  3. yeah cause morningstar ministries is such a bastion of orthodox christianity and has no problems with discernment whatsoever.

  4. Morningstar’s doing just fine. :)

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  8. philochs said

    Who ever writes the garbage on this website should be exposed, God is disgusted with you, and so am I, but his wrath will soon fall upon you, and you should fear it! You are a brazen heretic exposing only your dim-witted fascist dogma. Reveling in demon possession in “church”? Attending a demon “freak out” party is not okay, no matter who you are. If your church does this, they can’t be Christian then. Morning Star is another name for Satan. It’s a Satanic cult. No church of Jesus is called “Morning Star”. What’s your other favorite Christian churches? Lord Of the Air, 2nd Prince, of darkness chapel, Goat’s head church of False Saints and doctrines? First church of Madness? Orthodox Serpent’s Lair? Jihadists for Christ? Guts? Oh, you belong to the church of Eddie Murphy. Preacher Pauly from A Vampire in Brooklyn -”Evil Is Good” That’s chanted as a mantra to evoke evil spirits at your “church” eh?

  9. I couldn’t make this stuff up, folks…

    I love it when heresy hunters show themselves off… :)

    BTW, philochs… you’re welcome to visit my church, any time. That is, if you’re not afraid of demonses behind every tree and monitor :D

  10. I wanted to give Luke (philochs) a more complete answer – it’s cross-posted at http://iamhealed.net.

    Who ever writes the garbage on this website should be exposed,

    I think openly publishing on a website means a person isn’t hiding their agenda. But hey – “expose” away. Free publicity is *always* good. Link to both of my blogs – HHH and iamhealed.net. Link to revival answers, too (iamhealed.net/revival). God bless you :)

    God is disgusted with you,

    It’s funny, God has failed to mention His disgust in 100 out of 100 of our last conversatiotions.

    and so am I,

    Ahhh, but you and your brethren mention that disgust with every breath.

    Hmmmm.

    but his wrath will soon fall upon you, and you should fear it!

    I fear God – but I don’t fear His wrath. For starters, the blood of His precious Son has cleansed me, and God has pitched my sin into the sea of forgetfulness. GLORY! But secondly, I bask in His love every minute of every day… I have no reason to fear His wrath “falling” on me.

    You are a brazen heretic

    I strive to live a biblical lifestyle and strive to share the love of Jesus and the gospel of the Kingdom at every opportunity, and am called a brazen heretic. Gotta love it :D

    exposing only your dim-witted fascist dogma.

    You should probably look those big words up, sweetie, before you toss them around in public.

    If you wanted to accuse me of dominionism, you might be edging enough in the right direction that I’d shrug my shoulders (even tho you’d be wrong – most people don’t understand the proper use of that term, either)… but fascism? come on.

    As for dogma - well:
    1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
    2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. Guilty as charged. And your problem is…. ?

    Reveling in demon possession in “church”?

    I actually haven’t seen a lot of demon possession in the church, sweetie, and people who do show up in that condition either find themselves delivered in the presence of God, or those around them cast the demons out and have done with it (Does your church see a lot of it? I’d be happy to come and minister there….)

    Attending a demon “freak out” party is not okay, no matter who you are. If your church does this, they can’t be Christian then.

    Not sure what you mean, there…

    Do we freak out demons? Um, yes. Everywhere we go. Don’t you? doesn’t your church?

    Morning Star is another name for Satan. It’s a Satanic cult. No church of Jesus is called “Morning Star”.

    I’d call you silly, but I know that this heresy is taught in heresy-hunter churches. You are calling Jesus “satan”, Luke.

    Do you think the victor is satan? Fast forward to the end of the book of Revelation: “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.” (Rev. 22:16; see also Numbers 24:17)

    Would you still like to say that Morning Star refers to satan?

    What’s your other favorite Christian churches? Lord Of the Air, 2nd Prince, of darkness chapel, Goat’s head church of False Saints and doctrines? First church of Madness? Orthodox Serpent’s Lair? Jihadists for Christ? Guts? Oh, you belong to the church of Eddie Murphy.

    My favorite churches are those that preach AND live the uncompromised gospel of the Kingdom – my “favorite” is my own church – New Day the Church at High Point, where you are welcome to come and see for yourself :) My “second favorite” is our home-away-from-home church at the beach – Global River. I also really like several churches I’ve never been to, like Bethel, Brooklyn Tab, Abiding Glory/the Habitation, Ignited, IHOP, Center City Church in Greensboro… and probably quite a few more :)

    Preacher Pauly from A Vampire in Brooklyn -”Evil Is Good” That’s chanted as a mantra to evoke evil spirits at your “church” eh?

    Why don’t you come and see for yourself, Luke?

    If you have the Spirit of God living in you, there should be absolutely no fear of such things (the Bible DOES say that, you know).

    Come on! :)

  11. Donna said

    In regards to the youtube above – Can I ask Kathi, does this look right to you? I mean really, does it look right??

    Remember when I sent you some very similar videos and how you responded to them then?

    Does it really look right Kathi? Does it really resemble your Holy of Holies?

    :(

  12. Donna, I tend to NOT watch youtube videos (at all, really – not just related to this subject).

    Why?

    They’re unreliable, heavily edited, have doctored sound… it’s rubbish.

    I might have to write about manifestations and such sometime soon (not sure I’ll be able to today, no matter how much I want to!) – what does revival look like? What do revived people look like? What will heaven look like? What does intimate contact with God *do* to a person? And I’ll also touch on, “When (we think) it’s NOT God”.

  13. I did just go look at the video – and I think it’s absolutely SHOCKING that people would be falling on their faces worshiping God and dancing before Him with wild abandon and that a guy had a vision of blue flame.

    :::rolls eyes:::

    I don’t think the person who created the video has ever read the Bible.

    I stopped it at the “voodoo tune” part because I was ROFL…that is absolutely hysterical!!

    Wish I could’ve been there for that meeting (well, those meetings!) but I go to a church rather like Morningstar – actually, Lindell Cooley was there a couple weeks ago, and then Georgian Banov last weekend, and this video looks rather tame compared to what God was up to in our meetings :D

    I’ll have to see if Pastor Mike’s got some video I can post a clip of over at the blog…

  14. I live on the outskirts of Charlotte and have attended Morningstar recently. They are currently having what they call an “Outpouring” and it is fantastic. Todd Bentley is doing a terrific job during this revival and you can feel the Spirit of God in the place. If you are anywhere near Fort Mill, SC – come on down. You will be blessed. Runs Tuesday – Saturday and starts at 7:00 P.M. each night.

  15. Reggie, a group from our church has gone every weekend since it started on either Fri or Sat night. We are loving it! We haven’t heard Todd preach yet… but we did get to stand and shoot the breeze with him for ten or fifteen minutes after the first service we attended. He was very humble and the love of the Lord was just flowing off him. We’re so excited about what God’s doing…

  16. Kate Tarbill said

    Thank you sooo much for writing this article. I am so tired of everyone bashing Todd Bentley. God will take care of His kids, and thank God that He is God, not us.

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